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10-14-2008, 08:18 AM
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Points: 21,634, Level: 92 | | ACORN Voter Fraud -- Imagine the outcry if Republicans did this? |
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10-14-2008, 08:22 AM
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10-14-2008, 05:07 PM
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| imagine the outcry if republicans did this???
really?? should we list the things that have been done by republicans over the past 8 years to try to guage what's "outcry worthy" by way of comparison? |
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10-14-2008, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by janus imagine the outcry if republicans did this???
really?? should we list the things that have been done by republicans over the past 8 years to try to guage what's "outcry worthy" by way of comparison? |
Sure.. everything you list if you look back at the Democrats did not try to stop it....they caved on every issue... so the blame is plenty to go around.... You throw up all you want.. but I can throw out Poll Numbers that show Congress getting worse Job approval ratings that the scumbag Republicans did, so it is all a Moot point... The Democrats have made a dire situation worse with their performance in Office with Congressional approval ratings approaching the single digits. And Very little of it can be tied back to Bush, because anyone that has read the Constitution knows that Congress Controls the Purse strings.. The Dems could have done a whole number of things to stop what was going on...but they did something worse than that... they let it keep happening.
Realisitaclly you are comparing Apples to Oranges... ACORN and other programs designed to get people to register can't be tied to anything that has happened between elections.
I am not in any way absolving the Republicans from anything... I am just making the point of the biased Media... If the Republicans did this Jessie, Sharpton, Rangle, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, et al... would be on every goddamn radio program and TV show Crying foul that the Republicans were trying to steal the election before it even starts.... |
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10-14-2008, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty If the Republicans did this Jessie, Sharpton, Rangle, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, et al... would be on every goddamn radio program and TV show Crying foul that the Republicans were trying to steal the election before it even starts.... | god knows that's true.
i dont have a good feel for the relative outcry anyhow without cable. perhaps barack will help spread the cable around to us have-nots.
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10-14-2008, 07:26 PM
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| Is Nedrow associated with ACORN??? Oops! Meant AKERN.  |
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10-14-2008, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by janus god knows that's true.
i dont have a good feel for the relative outcry anyhow without cable. perhaps barack will help spread the cable around to us have-nots. | It is basically a Non Story everywhere... It gets mentioned but no real outcry or anything except on Fox... |
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10-14-2008, 07:35 PM
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10-16-2008, 05:57 PM
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Points: 21,634, Level: 92 | | | About 200K Ohio voters have records discrepancies |  |  | Oct 15 08:18 PM US/Eastern By TERRY KINNEY
Associated Press Writer | |  | |  | CINCINNATI (AP) - Close to one in every three newly registered Ohio voters will end up on court-ordered lists being sent to county election boards because they have some discrepancy in their records, an elections spokesman said Wednesday. Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner estimated that an initial review found that about 200,000 newly registered voters reported information that did not match motor-vehicle or Social Security records, Brunner spokesman Kevin Kidder said. Some discrepancies could be as simple as a misspelling, while others could be more significant.
The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati sided with the Ohio Republican Party on Tuesday and ordered Brunner to set up a system that provides those names to county elections boards. The GOP contends the information will help prevent fraud.
"Things already are in motion to comply," Kidder said. "We're working to establish these processes on how we can make this work. The computer work actually began last week."
About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January.
Brunner previously cross-checked new-voter registrations with databases run by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicle and the Social Security Administration and made the results available online, but the 6th Circuit said the information was not accessible in a way that would help county election boards ferret out mismatches.
Brunner, a Democrat, told The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer on Wednesday that she is concerned the court decision is a veiled attempt at disenfranchising voters. Brunner said she'll urge counties not to force these people to use provisional ballots.
The court gave Brunner until Friday to get election boards the information but it was unclear whether that deadline would be met. The court set no penalty for missing the deadline.
County election officials were trying to determine Wednesday how they will respond once they get the information.
"I'm very concerned with these new requirements as we get closer to Election Day," said Steve Harsman, director of the Montgomery County Board of Elections in Dayton. He said his staff already is working 16 hours a day, seven days a week.
"It's clearly going to have an impact in regard to resources we have to expend to resolve discrepancies," said Jeff Hastings, chairman of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections in Cleveland.
"We've had about 100,000 (registrations) since January and of those about 34,000 since the primary. We will do whatever is required of us."
Also Wednesday, the Ohio Republican Party said it has filed public records requests with all 88 counties for copies of forms submitted by newly registered voters, especially those who registered and cast an absentee ballot on the same day during a one-week window earlier this month.
Brunner has said that 13,141 Ohioans registered and voted immediately during the window.
"We've seen reports of fraudulent registrations, and we want to see those forms first-hand," said Jason Mauk, the state GOP's executive director.
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Associated Press writers Jim Hannah in Dayton and M.R. Kropko in Cleveland contributed to this report.
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10-16-2008, 05:58 PM
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Points: 21,634, Level: 92 | | | Federal official: FBI investigating Mahoney |  |  | Oct 16 04:07 PM US/Eastern By BRIAN SKOLOFF
Associated Press Writer | |  |  |  | WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) - The FBI is investigating whether Democratic U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney broke any laws or misused federal money when he hired a mistress to work in his office, a senior federal law enforcement official told The Associated Press. Federal agents also are examining whether a second affair Mahoney was having with a high-level official in his Florida district was behind his decision to push for federal emergency funds for her county, the official said.
The person spoke to The Associated Press only on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation. The person noted investigators would likely need both women's help to pursue the matter. The cases would be hard to prove without them.
Mahoney has called for a House Ethics Committee investigation of his own conduct and said he would be cleared of wrongdoing. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also called for an investigation.
The FBI is looking into whether Mahoney hired the first mistress—and put her on the federal payroll—so she wouldn't reveal their affair, the person said. The woman, Patricia Allen, has not returned repeated calls.
Mahoney, 52, who is married with a child, began his affair with Allen, 50, in 2006 while campaigning for Congress.
He won that year while promising to return morals and family values to Washington after Republican U.S. Rep. Mark Foley resigned amid revelations that he sent lurid Internet messages to male teenage pages who had worked on Capitol Hill. Foley was later cleared of criminal wrongdoing.
Mahoney hired Allen to work first for his congressional office, then his campaign. Campaign staff say she was later fired for performance issues, not because of the affair.
Allen then threatened to sue Mahoney for sexual harassment, they say. Mahoney reached a settlement to avoid a public airing, paying her and her attorneys $121,000. Mahoney's campaign staff says Mahoney paid the settlement to Allen with his own money, not with campaign funds or federal dollars.
Allen and Mahoney signed a confidentially agreement that prohibits them from discussing details.
The FBI is also looking into whether Mahoney helped Martin County secure a $3.4 million reimbursement from the Federal Emergency Management Agency for hurricane damage in exchange for sex with a county official in 2007, the federal law enforcement official said.
The funds were approved late last year. A Martin County news release at the time noted "Congressman Tim Mahoney was instrumental" in helping secure the funds.
The second affair was confirmed by a person close to Mahoney's campaign who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the congressman's private life. Mahoney has not returned calls for comment and repeated attempts to reach the official have been unsuccessful.
His congressional staff notes that Mahoney lobbies for FEMA funding throughout his district, and that Martin County has received $43 million from FEMA since 2004. Mahoney didn't take office until 2006 and they say he did not show Martin County preferential treatment.
David Graham, the county's administration director, said the county began the effort to get the hurricane funds under Foley, before Mahoney took office. He said it was a three-year team effort, since the county was twice denied and only received the money on appeal to FEMA with help from Mahoney.
Mahoney is embroiled in a tough re-election challenge in a district that leans slightly Republican.
Though he has not directly addressed the Allen affair, he said in a statement earlier this week he takes "full responsibility for my actions and the pain I have caused my wife Terry and my daughter Bailey." He has not addressed the second affair.
Meanwhile, top Florida Republican Party officials called on Mahoney to resign Thursday.
"It's time to close the book on Tim Mahoney," said Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer. "I call upon Tim Mahoney to resign his office."
Mahoney has given no indication he plans to resign or leave the race.
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Associated Press writer Lara Jakes Jordan contributed from Washington.
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10-16-2008, 05:59 PM
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Points: 21,634, Level: 92 | | Ohio elections chief appeals court ruling By Associated Press
POSTED: 08:58 a.m. EDT, Oct 16, 2008
COLUMBUS: Ohio's top elections chief has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene in a dispute over whether the state is required to do more to help counties verify voter eligibility, a spokesman for her office said Thursday.
Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, filed an appeal the high court late Wednesday, said spokesman Jeff Ortega.
On Tuesday, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati sided with the Ohio Republican Party and ordered Brunner to set up a system that provides names of newly registered voters whose driver's license numbers or Social Security numbers don't match records in other government databases.
The GOP contends the information for counties will help prevent fraud.
At least 200,000 newly registered voters have mismatched data, according to an initial review by Brunner's office.
Brunner's office said Wednesday that she would comply with the lower court's ruling. Ortega said the office would release a statement later Thursday on why she chose to file an appeal.
Brunner has called the issue a veiled attempt at disenfranchising voters and said other checks exist to help determine eligibility.
Ohio Republicans issued a statement calling the situation a shameful mess and criticized her for initially saying she would comply with the earlier court ruling.
About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January, with many doing so before the contested Democratic presidential primary election between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton in March. COLUMBUS: Ohio's top elections chief has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene in a dispute over whether the state is required to do more to help counties verify voter eligibility, a spokesman for her office said Thursday.
Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, filed an appeal the high court late Wednesday, said spokesman Jeff Ortega.
On Tuesday, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati sided with the Ohio Republican Party and ordered Brunner to set up a system that provides names of newly registered voters whose driver's license numbers or Social Security numbers don't match records in other government databases.
The GOP contends the information for counties will help prevent fraud.
At least 200,000 newly registered voters have mismatched data, according to an initial review by Brunner's office.
Brunner's office said Wednesday that she would comply with the lower court's ruling. Ortega said the office would release a statement later Thursday on why she chose to file an appeal.
Brunner has called the issue a veiled attempt at disenfranchising voters and said other checks exist to help determine eligibility.
Ohio Republicans issued a statement calling the situation a shameful mess and criticized her for initially saying she would comply with the earlier court ruling.
About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January, with many doing so before the contested Democratic presidential primary election between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton in March. Ohio.com - Ohio elections chief appeals court ruling |
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10-17-2008, 08:26 AM
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