Gambling IQ Commentary On the Bodog Fiasco

[Dirty]

It is not going to have the wars. We just wanted to point out the Misstatement that TOW said. I am sure he was meaning when we worked at EOG and not this place.

I don't consider that being a forum war. Just a clarification on some mistaken facts. The Truth needs to come out about Bodog

[The General]

I am following the internet news just like most. I appreciate the postings and opinions. The posts are just journalism to me and I like reading them. Ultimately it be individual choice in where funds go.

I can only attest to what I feel and what I have seen transpire in working with the Bodog media company in the past 6 years. It was once good, then it got much worse bad (Red tape mostly - hands off ownership seemingly). Trying to work with with media people who dealt the contracts became much more difficult as they dealt a lot of misunderstanding talk to us forum people having much more knowledge about the circumstances by far. It started getting real tough to work with the media people on promos (Many of which Bodog offered up and wanted us to handle). There started being changing of minds out of nowhere. All of the persons I worked with were nice and polite, but they felt a lot of pressure from somewhere, it was obvious just in the tone of speaking.

I am worried, too.

This is a good thread IMO and I, like the rest, hope we do not see a tragedy take place here. I have spoken in the past with prominent Industry persons about how big a hit it would be for the Industry confidence if the Bodog machine would sink. We talked about this long ago as the writing was beginning to be read and thought more seriously about as a series of chain events and issues were developing. The Industry confidence level already being so much weaker w/out a Bodog failure.

I wish Bodog the best, but caution is fine in any circumstance. I have posted publicly before that I admired Mr. Ayre, although today, I don't desire walking in his shoes. I wish all involved the very best.

Have a great day.

[Lucky]

but I do know Calvin Ayre better than any other person on any of these forums. I knew him when he was an honest young man, looking for adventure, and with the psychological problems that he so garishly exibits now only just visible under the surface. I was there at the very center of things when he in a Jekyll-Hide transformation went from adventure to the most disgusting kind of personal dishonesty, planning to rip off large numbers of unsuspecting and innocent people of their money to make himself richer. It's now known as the Bicer Medical period in the Calvin Ayre story and I am the person who stopped him from enriching himself through lies about the value of publicly traded stocks.

Interesting comments on Calvin. You have obviously known him for a long time.

What business ventures have you been busy with this past 25 years since you have known Calvin and Bicer and so kindly shut it down to save the inocent and unexpecting from the evils of Calvin. Surely you must with all your vast knowledge on the forums have built a successful business at something. Please share your success story. What companies have you started up and how are they doing today? Surely someone that can criticize all aspects of another person's business model and success must have used this information and experiance for building a great business themselves. I would love to hear what you have accomplished with your vast business knowledge.

[The General]

Thanks for joining and contributing, Lucky.

Are you the Lucky which I have spoken with before on the telephone, Sir?

Take care

[Dirty]

Welcome aboard Lucky

[Paddy]

Interesting comments on Calvin. You have obviously known him for a long time.

What business ventures have you been busy with this past 25 years since you have known Calvin and Bicer and so kindly shut it down to save the inocent and unexpecting from the evils of Calvin. Surely you must with all your vast knowledge on the forums have built a successful business at something. Please share your success story. What companies have you started up and how are they doing today? Surely someone that can criticize all aspects of another person's business model and success must have used this information and experiance for building a great business themselves. I would love to hear what you have accomplished with your vast business knowledge.

First of all, Calvin, or Lucky as you're styling yourself here, I have no knowledge of "vast" other than remembering it always was a favorite word of yours. I do know that, if that's what you mean by "vast" knowledge.

I think you overestimate yourself, vastly, if I might say. It doesn't take vast knowledge to see right through you and your cornflakes box MBA. Here's a tip...real MBA's long ago stopped using the term "business model". You didn't have a business model. You had an insane scheme to use other people's money to achieve your real objectives, to falsely create an impression that you were a billionaire and a success and a world authority on online gaming when in fact you were the only person alive who ever thought that. Others said it when you paid them to.

I don't start businesses. I'm an accountant and I sort out business frauds for victims and try and get their money back for them. Not fraud on your scale, but at the end of the day, it's all fraud, just different numbers. And sometimes I'm a pilot. Just to get out and see the country. But I guess you knew that.

Why don't you ask David Baines of the Vancouver Sun how many successful businesses he's started. He'll tell you none. Exactly the same number you have started. His "business" is reporting on you so that fewer and fewer people get Bodoged. Or is it Bodoglifed? Hard to keep track of.

But nice to see you ghosting at GamblingIQ. Your brief stint at OGD wasn't all that successful, so better luck here.

Have you given up on Mike Cash?

[Brunhuber]

Interesting comments on Calvin. You have obviously known him for a long time.

What business ventures have you been busy with this past 25 years since you have known Calvin and Bicer and so kindly shut it down to save the inocent and unexpecting from the evils of Calvin. Surely you must with all your vast knowledge on the forums have built a successful business at something. Please share your success story. What companies have you started up and how are they doing today? Surely someone that can criticize all aspects of another person's business model and success must have used this information and experiance for building a great business themselves. I would love to hear what you have accomplished with your vast business knowledge.

Business model? Puhleease! Please, man! Or woman.

Calvin's "business model" began with stealing possibly a million dollars or so through crooked dealings on the Vancouver Stock Exchange! Bicer Medical Systems. He then graduated to other "pump and dump" schemes with a host of other nefarious characters.

After blowing all that, and teetering on the verge of bankruptcy, circa 2002, he in fact did sell his soul to the devil, "not EOG's Devil", but to a world famous eastern European crime group.

Great business model there! Sheer genius, some might say. By taking them on as partners, he attracted the attention of the DOJ. They were nosing into his affairs from then on.

How do I know this? I know it as a result of conversations with a one-time senior employee of RipTown Media. And I know a hell of a lot more than that!

But Ol' Cal has already sent the goon squad after myself, and another fellow who can confirm this, if he chooses, so I won't say any more than that.

Calvin is possibly the biggest target the DOJ has had in it's sights for many years. Bigger than the Enron guys, bigger than Conrad Black, bigger than all the other white-collar crooks sentenced to lengthy prison terms in the US for years.

Why? Well, simply because of the dollars invloved. Billions of dollars.

Rant all you want about the government sticking it's nose into people's private affais, as some of these people do, but online gambling, and especially online gambling involving fraudsters crowing about billions of dollars they have "processed", is illegal.

It's clear that the DOJ was content to let the industry carry on, in a "behind the shadows" kind of way, but that all changed in March of 2006. Calvin on Forbes!

We all know this, so I won't go on and on. It's time consuming!

But whenever I see some friggin' idiot on these forums sticking up for the poster boy for sociopathy, it pisses me off. If you are on this prick's payroll, fine, maybe you think you are being loyal.

But this guy's shelf life is expired! Never doubt that!

I'm a loyal OGD poster, but as I've said over there, Dirty and Co. are to be congratulated for finally calling a spade a spade. Maybe their motivation is suspect, maybe when they realised that whoever currently runs BoDog could not pay the ad fees to G911, that they sure as hell wouldn't be forking anything over to a fledgling site like this one, maybe then they realised the time was right. But I don't believe that to be the case.

Speaking of business models, I like what they have here. Clearly stated HONESTY! I feel Dirty is an honest man, he has explained his actions during his EOG time, he's very believable, and I wish the red-neck mofo the best of luck!

As Paddy said, his piece on the BoDog fiasco is really a water-shed moment for online gambling, insofar as the forums go, anyways.

What always struck me about this biz was that the people who were rewarded the most were the ones who had no qualms whatsoever about lying through their teeth; paying off anyone neccessary, and having a small army of shills and hangers-ons to get the lie out there.

Can you say Ken Weitzner? Or, for a more pleasant option, can you say Peep? Good Ol' Peep. I was looking up integrity in the dic. the other day, and his pic was there.

When I googled Weitzner, I got some story about him ratting on a bunch of people over some phony 'scrips. Oh, well, he'll get his. Guys like him always do! Hey, maybe I should curse him! Maybe I will....

I'm pretty sure whoever wrote the post here under the handle of Lucky is a family member of Calvin's, I guess it could be him, but I don't care who wrote it.

This man is a career criminal, he's a disgrace to all right thinking people, he's certainly no genius, although I will concede he is a con man who has reached the pinnacle of white collar criminality's success, but at the end of the day, he's going to the joint! Where he won't like it!

And you know what? He deserves to be in prison. He really does.

And for Gambling IQ to write what they did, they desevee the support of posters from all forums. From all those who enjoy the hell out of online gambling, and only need a fair shake!

Please, anyone who wants to dispute what I have just written, feel free to respond!

But Cal's going to the joint!

[Dirty]

Thank you Brunhuber and welcome aboard. You are correct in believe that money had nothing to do with Bodog coming down. It was the right thing to do.

We have probably cost ourselves no telling how many thousands of dollars on our site with not a lot of traffic because we did not try to Get less than B rated books. WE only contacted a few of those books because we knew traffic was going to be limited and we didn't want to spread ourselves out too thin. Our traffic will get there. We believe that doing business this way will work out in the long run. I am sure we could have gotten some sorry book to bankroll us for a long time to get in bed with them, but we never even entertained that thought.

I believe that more of the Top rated books will come along Once they see we are going to run a fair and honest business model here.

Thanks to all of you guys for supporting us.

[Dirty]

I would also like to add... that IF and When Bodog ever gets back to making timely payouts and the company is safe to play at ... We will be the first to say so.

We would do that with any book, poker room, casino. You have to report what is going on.

[Lucky]

Welcome aboard Lucky

Thanks! Good luck with the new site.

[Dirty]

Thanks! Good luck with the new site.

Thanks Man.. You need to get in our NFL Contest bud

[Dirty]

Bodog News in this weeks Video


APCW Perspectives Weekly

[Dirty]

From Brunhuber at OGD

Three biggest lies in the world....

I love you....

BoDog Customer service: Yep, your cheques in the mail!

Calvin: C'mon, Mike, you know I won't come in your mouth!
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quotePosted: 9/9/2008 11:07:41 PMQUOTE Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:


The latest update-
No love- No e-mail today with the tracking number which was guaranteed on 9/6/06- Guaranfuckingteed!
The operator reports that they would never guarantee a payment and I must be mistaken. That was nice to hold my money for 71 days and then call me a liar! See my previous post, must have been a delusional moment in my life (like betting the fricking Vikings yesterday). Anyways, they assure me everyone will be paid and they can sleep good at night even with their business practices. So, I am still being held hostage. This is ridiculous and anybody with any insight would be appreciated. I even pleaded to them to tell me they could not pay me and we would go our separate ways. They again promised payment, blah blah blah. I pledge to call them everyday and write about it most.
Bodog sucks- would not recommend-
Oh they did give me $85 more bonus dollars after I blew the first 85 on the Vikings.
Like it matters......
Best of luck guys-
Crash-
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You're looking good, Dirty! Lookin' good!

I guess this is why Bodog still has a skeleton staff left, just to string these saps along!

Who will be the first forum operator to stick a fork in Ol' Bo, fix him with a toe-tag, and declare the official cause of death?

How's it going, Cal? And company? How's Antigua? I hear they have dead dogs laying in the streets there!


Gambling IQ Commentary On the Bodog Fiasco - OGD


Here is the link to Covers

BODOGLIFE 08-26-2008-5:54 Covers

[Brunhuber]

Bodog Continues to Pay Customers, Vendors With Bounced Checks


Submitted by C Costigan on Wed, 09/10/2008 - 22:20.

Be careful when depositing one of those Bodog (BodogLife.com) checks. They could be rubber and bounce like an NBA basketball. News that customers continue to receive bouncing checks from Bodog seems to be an ongoing thing. One affiliate informed us that he had received three of these.
Not good!
Bodog has had a tougher time than most online gambling companies building new relationships with payment processors - an issue that has emerged as a result of the group's insistence on utilizing more internal avenues of processing as opposed to working with outside companies. It is with some irony that this business model has played a major role in building the Bodog brand in recent years.
But the environment has changed.
For those depositing these "suspect" checks, there is more than just an insufficient funds fee at stake. One's credit score can be damaged as well.
Bounced checks can trash your credit!
Obviously, it goes without saying that when you send a check to a pay a bill and that check bounces, your credit will be adversely affected. But the issue can become far more complicated.
There are actually companies out there who monitor those who bounce checks. The FICO Expansion formula draws on databases compiled by such "nontraditional" sources.
ChexSystems keeps records similar to credit reports on all consumers who write checks and negative information is stored in your file for five years. This company acts as a "credit bureau" for organizations that are interested in how you manage your checking account and whether you have a pattern of bouncing checks. Interested parties would include banks, landlords, mortgage companies, utility companies, cellular carriers, insurance companies and many others. More and more employers are looking at these files in addition to credit reports to make hiring and promotion decisions.
Typically, people who repeatedly bounce checks (and who don't have overdraft protection) can wind up on blacklists created by companies like ChexSystems. These blacklists can prevent you from getting another bank account for five years.
Fortunately for those doing business with Bodog who have been exposed to the bad checks, lenders who use traditional credit scores might not know about your troubles. But with the economy what it is today, more and more lenders are moving towards the nontraditional verification methods. And it's not just lenders, it's employers.
Now to be fair, Bodog has every intention of paying their customers, even when they are not entirely upfront about what is transpiring. The company hopefully will be able to overcome their processing woes, especially if the US political landscape should change, though we should point out that Bodog has done little if anything to immerse itself in the regulatory efforts of industry colleagues (see iMEGA.org here)
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Ah, yes, the old "good intentions"!

BoDog has apparently created a task force, {not to be confused with "Ayre Force', the comic book} to find some way around this ongoing processor issue.

And it's an entirely different task force than the one the DOJ has had operational for a couple of years now. It was set up with the express purpose of making Calvin pay, with his freedom, for his smirking appearance on Forbes Magazine.

No word yet on digital entertainment giant BoDog creating a new TV reality show titled "Battle of the Task Forces".

But seriously, folks, the feds have basically succeeded in shutting BoDog down as far as getting money back to players.

Calvin and Co. will soon disappear with all the post-up money they are currently squirreling away, which has been the plan for quite some time now. :suntan

[Dirty]

Thanks for the Update Brun..... Keeps getting worse

[Dirty]

Bodog has started a huge mailing campaign. Met 3 guys at the sportsbar last night and One had sent $300 a couple of days before to Bodog from a mailer he had received. I told him to ask for his money now and to visit the our site and get his money into a good book. He was shocked and didn't want to believe what was going on.

Amazing how few people actually see online forums.

[Brunhuber]

if you needed another reason not to play at bodog... new cashout fees - Sports Handicapping - Sports Betting - Sports Picks - SBR Forum

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They are now charging for all Money Transfers off the following table:

$100 - $200 $40
$201 - $500 $50
$501 - $1000 $80
$1001 - $3000 $150

First check of the month is still free... if you don't mind the wait..

Daneblazer at SBR

[Dirty]

Thanks for the Info Brun... anyone with money there now needs to be very worried

[The Devil]

I Know If I Had Money In There I Would Be Looking To Withdraw....................asap.............

[Dirty]

From OGD

Brunhuber

Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 966 Joined: 4-May 07 Member No.: 9,270

Well, Cob, here'a an article from 07 in which Ayre never fooled the reporter. Long read, but great story. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...specialComment/ The Globe and Mail may be the largest newspaper in Canada, and this article, along with the numerous ones by David Baines of the Vancouver Sun, my beloved Vancouver Sun, were primarily responsible for the end of Ayre's campaign of self-glorification, certainly here in Canader! Of course the Forbes appearence is what will end up costing him years in prison. At the very least, a lifetime exile in Antigua. Either way, it's one "foot-race he didn't win, but came back to beat the guy the next day", as he famously bragged in another major media outlet here in Canada! Hey, Cash! Now that you have been shamed off the forums, do ya mind if I use Dell's now famous Baghdad Bob pic as my avatar? This time on behalf of the anti-BoDog forces. You prick, Mikey!